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Why Vista is better than Mac OS X and Linux.....

http://www. economist.com/daily/columns/techview/displayStory.cfm?story_id=8467558

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FROM the end of January any Windows-based personal computer that you buy will come with a new version of Microsoft's operating system, called Vista. Make no mistake, this is more than just a slicker, prettier version of Microsoft’s current operating system for desktop computers, Windows XP. Vista is considerably quicker, easier and more pleasant to use, and far more stable and secure, than was its predecessor. One of its particular attractions is its more intuitive way of storing, organising and locating files. Included too are better parental controls, a built-in DVD maker, and lots of other improvements. In many ways, especially in its look and feel and ease of use, Vista out-Macs the Mac’s latest operating system—the Tiger version of OS X. However, that could change when Apple releases its Leopard version of OS X in spring.

Right now, the big question for most Windows users is one of timing. If they are not about to buy a new Windows PC, should they buy a copy of Vista to upgrade a perfectly adequate machine running an earlier version of Windows?

If you are running a PC with any version of Windows prior to XP (with all the Service Pack 2 updates), then the answer is most certainly yes. But if you’ve been religious about keeping your computer healthy with all the latest patches and updates released weekly by Microsoft, then the smart thing to do is to wait awhile. No matter how thoroughly the company may have tested it, the first version of Vista is going to be riddled with niggling annoyances that surface only when software confronts some of the crazy things we ordinary users do.

Many say Vista’s problem is its sheer size and complexity. All told, the program comprises some 50m lines of computer code. And as any programmer will tell you, software contains typically five to ten errors for every 100 lines of code. So, even if 90% of them were squished during the extensive testing programme, Vista will hit the shelves with at least a quarter of a million bugs in it.

That’s the price you pay for bloated software, say the legions of Microsoft critics. But hang on a minute. Vista may have a complex architecture with 50 layers of interdependent activities, but it’s not a massive program by today’s standards. Some of those quickest to accuse Microsoft of producing “bloatware” are even guiltier themselves.

In the religious wars that rage between operating-system fanatics, the worst offenders are actually to be found in the Macintosh and Linux camps. The highly praised Tiger version of the Macintosh OS X operating system contains no fewer than 86m lines of code. And while the latest Linux kernel may be only 9m lines long, the “distro” (packaged distribution ready for installing) of an important Linux variant, such as Debian 3.1, has some 213m lines of code in it.

One important difference between operating systems such as Linux and OS X on the one hand, and Windows on the other, is that the former are highly modularised. Instead of being one humongous piece of software, they are made up of hundreds of small stand alone programs, called packages. Both Linux and OS X are descended from Unix, the grand-daddy of modern multi-tasking operating systems, and share the same underlying structure.

With Linux at least, this modularity allows skilled users to strip out all the bits they don’t need—to create a robust and compact operating system tailored to specific needs. Linux can be trimmed down to run from a floppy disk, or fleshed out to manage a server farm or even a supercomputer. On the desktop, Linux works every bit as well as Windows, while offering greater security and fewer crashes. Installing any of the popular desktop distros such as Ubuntu, OpenSUSE or Fedora is a ten-minute breeze. But unlike Windows, downloading applications to run on Linux and ensuring all the necessary “libraries” are in place is most certainly not for novices.

But the real difference between Unix-like operating systems and Windows is their design philosophies. Windows may squander computing power through its clumsy architecture. But by favouring simplicity of use over simplicity of design, Microsoft has been able to leverage cheap but powerful commodity hardware, to provide cost-effective software solutions. These may be complex in design—and full of bugs to boot—but, boy, are they easy to use and maintain. That’s a winning formula in anyone’s book, and the reason why Windows rightly rules the world.

the best part? no author. the heading of the article is comprised of this:

Hasta la Vista
Dec 22nd 2006
From Economist.com

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just thought you guys might wanna read this bunch of shite for a few giggles and gurgles.



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Does it use a Journaling File System and have a permission system that isnt a complete joke? How about that registry and activex, still in?

I'll pass.

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lol totally. l love how they ignore the actual complaints about vista that people have, bloat isn't really one of the main ones... the things you mentioned however, are.

Leopard is getting ZFS, yet windows can't even roll out WinFS which was supposed to be a main feature of vista...



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While I agree that Vista is bloated crap, if you are going to smack talk another OS so readily, you should not get so pissy when people criticize your own beloved fruitos.


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hmm?

valid criticism is welcome, but blindly stating vista > Tiger without giving any reason at all is not welcomed.



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hmm?

valid criticism is welcome, but blindly stating vista > Tiger without giving any reason at all is not welcomed.
You are the only one who has said that.


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and I'm the only one who matters bitch, now discuss the article!



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Why is Windows Vista so much better than previous Windows versions?

Because it's trying to be Max OS X.

Windows is a step in the right direction for the OS, just too bad it had to rip off their biggest competitor to make the improvements. I think when Leopard hits, it's going to squash Vista in terms of usability. It's going to be interesting to watch the next couple of years between these two play out.


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What part is microsoft copying? The shiny bloated crap interface? It doesn't need that stick-in-the-eye nonsense, they should try making the OS smaller and more efficient, and add support for modern and newer hardware.

Additionally, the OS maker should also not be in charge of putting all media, and browser software on the OS as well. Mac people might like the one stop shopping but it is like shopping at walmart, really weak. Rarely is any of it good, thirdparty software makers are the best thing an OS can have.


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straight ripped off iCal, iPhoto, spotlight, the shiny UI....



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straight ripped off iCal, iPhoto, spotlight, the shiny UI....
Every one of those programs should be wadded up and thrown in the toilet, then the os maker beaten severely for wasting their time on that nonsense. Their job is to make a good os, not decorative crap to impress grandma and confused youth.


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Every one of those programs should be wadded up and thrown in the toilet, then the os maker beaten severely for wasting their time on that nonsense. Their job is to make a good os, not decorative crap to impress grandma and confused youth.

Posts like this prove your ignorance and fanboyism.

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Chin, you're a really smart dude sometimes, but when you argue like this, it doesn't make any sense.


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Why is Windows Vista so much better than previous Windows versions?

Because it's trying to be Max OS X.

Windows is a step in the right direction for the OS, just too bad it had to rip off their biggest competitor to make the improvements. I think when Leopard hits, it's going to squash Vista in terms of usability. It's going to be interesting to watch the next couple of years between these two play out.

Every Windows up to XP has just been patched and extra code added the Original Windows back when 95 and 98 came out. Vista is the first OS where they rewrote everything. I've played with VISTA and I think it stomps all kind of OSX ass.

I personally think Chin is right in this case. People that are into Mac's hardcore for normal daily use are fan boys and confused youth that think its pretty so we should try it out. I have two friends I drink with regularly and they both wanted mac laptops. I showed them prices and they laughed and went back to PC laptops. Hell even Outlaw tried to show our other roommate a mac laptop and the second he saw the price I thought he **** a brick.


Mac would be more competitive if they didn't have to coat all their systems in a 2k + price tag. Price to spec comparisons show that PCs are just more power for less dollar. There is no beating around the bush on this fact.

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Mac would be more competitive if they didn't have to coat all their systems in a 2k + price tag. Price to spec comparisons show that PCs are just more power for less dollar. There is no beating around the bush on this fact.

Yeah, and I can get a 78 buick with a 318 for like 800 bucks, which blows the **** out of a Corolla, power wise.

Theres more to it than straight up power, and as soon as you come to terms with that, the less you look like a complete retard.

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